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From: PHILLY4848@aol.com
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 11:52 AM
Subject: (no subject)

you are so misguided that its almost laughable, if it wasn't so sorrowful. you obviously must think you are the only ones going to heaven, and possibly the perfect church. well i have news for you - - YOU ARE NOT! you have taken wonderful men - teachers of the WORD , and tried to destroy their character for trying to save souls. agreed, a few may be questionable but who are we to judge - only our FATHER IN HEAVEN has that power. sadly, if you are attending your church, and anymore like you, then it is not perfect. now, after reading your comments, i realize that you have not allowed for the - "WHO (saying it-to whom-) - WHERE (time - in history, etc) - WHAT (pertaining to,etc.). i could go on but it would probably be useless. who every listens to your misconceptions of the interruption of the bible is honestly a confused soul. maybe someday the HOLY SPIRIT will allow you to open your eyes and ears and understand what you are reading and hearing. GOD BLESS AND GOOD LUCK.

From: Darwin
To: PHILLY4848@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: (no subject)

"you obviously must think you are the only ones going to heaven, and possibly the perfect church"

Kind of the Noah syndrome? "Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations" (Genesis 5:9). "The end of all flesh has come before Me . . . everything that is on the earth shall die. But I will establish My covenant with you" (Genesis 6:13-18).

"YOU ARE NOT!"

Thank you for that information.

"and tried to destroy their character for trying to save souls."

Isn't it just a terrible thing to try to save souls?

"a few may be questionable but who are we to judge"

You just did.

"i could go on but it would probably be useless."

It would.

From: "Don Bascom" dbascom@knology.net
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:01 PM
Subject: What are you doing?

Have you ever considered how many people may be going to hell because you seem to be more interested in fighting the body of Christ rather than working with the body of Christ?

From: "Darwin" darwin@atruechurch.info
To: "Don Bascom" dbascom@knology.net
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: What are you doing?

Have you ever considered how many people are going to hell through what you call body of Christ?

From: "Don Bascom" dbascom@knology.net
To: "Darwin" darwin@atruechurch.info
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: What are you doing?

Hello Darwin,

Thank you for your reply and for your concern for the eternal outcome of
us sinful human beings.
I expect there are a large number of 'church people' that are on their
way to hell.
They may fill a seat in some church gathering now & then, but are clearly not in the body of Christ.
Two questions:
1) How do you know "what I call the body of Christ"? I have not told you.
2) Is the eternal destiny of another person determined by:
a) my definition of the body of Christ, or
b) whether or not they have received Jesus Christ as their Saviour
and are giving evidence of that by following Him as Lord?

Your Brother in Christ,

Don

From: "Darwin" darwin@atruechurch.info
To: "Don Bascom" dbascom@knology.net
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: What are you doing?

1) You did tell me by your email. I am (Jude 3) indeed "fighting" (as you said) what you call the body of Christ. But, I know it is the body of Satan (as in Revelation 2:9; 3:9), and that is why I am fighting it (2 Corinthians 10:3-5; Ephesians 5:11).

a) Your definition, given to another and they heed and agree will indeed lead them to hell, as it is the broad way that leads to destruction (Matthew 7:13-14).

b) Whom you call Jesus Christ is a false Christ (as in Matthew 24:24), and thus a demon, and therefore rather than saving anyone, your "Jesus Christ" helps to the damnation of their soul.

From: "Don Bascom" dbascom@knology.net
To: "Darwin" darwin@atruechurch.info
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: What are you doing?

Darwin,

I am not going to play this game any more as I now see where you are coming from.

Apologies for referring to you as a brother, that must have been offensive to you.

Don

From: MC
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Cc: mrusa111@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 6:24 PM
Subject: Thanks...

Now I feel better about myself, because there are such a morons like you.

George Bush

From: Darwin
To: MC
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Thanks...

May you enjoy your better feeling.

From: James Monroe, chillin97@yahoo.com
To: Darwin
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:34 PM

If I might offer a post on your blog, I'd like to submit the following (regarding the recent updated posts):

In response to Philly 4848 : You have attacked Darwin with not one shred of Scripture. He doesn't need my defense, for sure, but I wonder why you reject his teachings: He cited Scripture every single time. You asked "who are we to judge?" According to Scripture, true believers are to do just that (John 7:24)...would a true believer ignore John 7:24 and only cling to Matthew 7:1? Good grief, how can anyone flee from false teachers if they do NOT discern (i.e. judge)? Seriously?

Also, You rely on "who,where,what" as if it were a biblical formula which considers "history" as an authority. Did you know that Iraq required their history books to teach that the allied coalition lost Desert Storm? but you see, that was a lie. That was recent history, and was false. Why on earth would you trust history which can't be cros-examined and was written by people who could have been demon-possessed for all we know?

I am not a member of Darwin's church - but maybe I might add some perspective...I have sent honest questions regarding Scripture to Darwin and his church (dozens, actually). They were helpful, respectful, and one hundred percent Scriptural in their responses. The only way one could reject their reports on false teachers is to adopt an attitude of "Oh yeah, well, who cares what the Bible says? Most people are Christian because they call the name of Jesus." Again, I am not a member, but I have learned a great deal from actually reading their reports and asking genuine questions.

To Don Bascom...it seems as if you did not read a single report posted on their site, because if you did, you would have clearly known that they consider (and rightly so) people who teach heresy after heresy to be FALSE members of the body of Christ...you should fear because you do not consider them likewise. I recommend watching their videos and you can see how those in the "body of Christ" (i.e. false Christians) speaks, treats (even steal and vandalize their signs), and largely contends with half-verses (or no Scripture at all)and scoffing while these guys are patient, polite, and only try to warn people.

Just how wide do you suppose the narrow way is? Just who,exactly, are those to whom John the baptist refers in Matthew 3:10, anyway? People who are not part of "big church"?

From: ron black [ronb21@yahoo.com]
To: Darwin
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: divorce

You do not believe I am forgiven because I am shocked to see the men listed???

I understand that you believe that I am on the "broad way", but still, If I was mis informed the all this time and I am just now finding the truth as you have laid it out for me...won't God forgive me now??? Will he forgive me for all that has happened in my past from this day forward as long as I am working to follow what I now know or believe to be true???

I guess I am lost to think that there is nothing I can do now to be forgiven for my sins...at least that is what I am hearing...

I have been led astray by these preachers all these years...even from the very beginning because I have been under alot of the teaching that is stated to be false doctrine.

So, if I am now coming to the truth. Will he forgive me and teach me and help me to grow from this day forward? What do I have to do?

Ron Black

From: Darwin
To: ron black
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: divorce

"won't God forgive me now??? Will he forgive me for all that has happened in my past from this day forward as long as I am working to follow what I now know or believe to be true???"

That is indeed possible, but unlikely (Luke 13:24; 18:8).

"I guess I am lost to think that there is nothing I can do now to be forgiven for my sins...at least that is what I am hearing"

I didn't write that, and both you and I know I didn't write that. Yet, on one hand, it is true (Romans 9:16; Jeremiah 10:23; Proverbs 20:24). On the other, He commands you to do something (Acts 17:30), but you can't and won't unless He grants it to you (2 Timothy 2:25).

"I have been led astray by these preachers all these years"

Yes, that was my point.

"So, if I am now coming to the truth. Will he forgive me and teach me and help me to grow from this day forward? What do I have to do?"

Find Him (Acts 17:24-27; Proverbs 2:1-12), for the Him you have been taught is not Him, and then call upon Him in truth (Psalm 145:18).

From: ron black
To: Darwin
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: divorce

Darwin, you have me confused.

In one sentence you say it is unlikely...that I can be forgiven. Why is that? Yes, narrow is the road, but if I am asking Christ to come into my life and forgive me and seek him, why should I believe that he won't???

You have said it is unlikely, but then say to find him...what am I supposed to do? What if he doesn't grant it to me??? AM I just doomed to hell????

Ron Black

From: Darwin
To: ron black
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: divorce

"you have me confused."

I don't have you confused. The false teachers have you confused. The confusion is there because you have been fed a bag of lies. Now, when confronted with the truth, you are confused, not because the truth is confusing (Proverbs 8:9; 14:6), but because it is contrary to what you have been taught. You have been fed a false God, a false Christ, and a false gospel, so when you hear about the true God, the true Christ, and the true gospel, being contrary to what you have been taught, it not only causes confusion, but you're likely to reject it, because you have been taught otherwise, as it is written, "because of whom [i.e. because of the false teachers], the way of truth will be blasphemed" (2 Peter 2:2). I'm giving you the way of truth, but it has been spoke evil of (been blasphemed) so much so, that you have been taught to think it is evil, when in reality, it is good (Isaiah 5:20).

"In one sentence you say it is unlikely"

Did you read the verses I gave (Luke 13:24; 18:8)? They say what I said. Luke 13:24 points out that many seek to enter the narrow gate (as you are apparently doing right now), but don't make it in. That's Jesus' warning. Thus, He warns to "strive". So therefore, what makes you think you'll make it in, when many attempt to but are unable?

Moreover, in Luke 18:8 Jesus points to the severity of the spiritual situation just before His return (and we are getting ever so close to His return) by wondering, asking the question, if the faith will even be found on the planet (more literally in the Greek, "when the Son of the Man comes, will he really find the faith upon the earth?"). That depicts things are going to be very bad and few, if any, will be saved. Scripture reveals (not only here in Luke 18:8) that God is going to be saving very few people (in the flood it was only 8), particularly in the last days we are in (as in Romans 9:27-28) and the condition of "Christianity" will be bankrupt (2 Timothy 3:1-5; 4:3; 2 Peter 2:2). What makes you think God will save you, when His program is to save very few? Though He desires all men to be saved (1 Timothy 2:4), He nonetheless chooses few (Matthew 22:14). Some call, and He outright refuses to answer (Proverbs 1:28; Jeremiah 11:14; Micah 3:4; Zechariah 7:13; Hebrews 12:16-17).

"Yes, narrow is the road"

I don't believe you even know what that means. The "narrow" road you have been taught is actually the broad way that leads to destruction. We describe this at www.atruechurch.info/savednot.html

"Yes, narrow is the road, but if I am asking Christ to come into my life and forgive me and seek him, why should I believe that he won't???"

If you call upon the Christ you have been taught, since it is a demon (as all false gods are demons, 1 Corinthians 10:20), it has no power to forgive. If you call upon the real Christ, the Bible Himself (John 1:1, 14; Revelation 19:13), you must (John 4:24) call upon Him according to His conditions (e.g. Luke 14:26-33) or He will reject you (Psalm 119:118) and your prayer will be sin (Proverbs 28:9); and you will compound your condemnation (Ecclesiastes 12:14).

"What if he doesn't grant it to me??? AM I just doomed to hell????"

You could be (Proverbs 16:4; Romans 9:22). I don't know. I don't have that knowledge. But for your sake, you had better hope in His mercy (Psalm 33:18). But you cannot do that, until you find Him. I suggest you live out Proverbs 2:1-12. In that, I suggest our articles on the real God (under "Things The Bible Teaches"). May God have mercy on you, for most He does not.

From: Mark Sak [marksak20@yahoo.com]
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:19 AM
Subject: Your Statement of Faith

Mr. Fish, you've made this statement in your "Statement of Faith"...
d. The City of Jerusalem is also God (Psalm 48:12-14; Jeremiah 33:16).
e. The Throne, the Heavens, and His Kingdom are also God (Psalm 93:2; Daniel 4:26; Psalm 103:19).
Well as it turns out you must have missed Verse 8 of Psalm 48 which reads... As we have heard so have we seen in the city of the Lord Almighty, in the city of our God: God makes her secure. Psalm 48:8
Now Mr. Fish, God isn't a city He's God... You're walking in the realm of pantheism... Why, if you are correct in saying God is Jerusalem, is He referring to Himself as female??? Look at the very last line that says "God makes her secure." There's no doubt that he talking about Jerusalem... So according to you God is female... Now that creates a problem for you... You may need to add yourself to that list of "false teachers"...

Will this message be added to you website???

Mark S.

IT'S THEIR WORLD I'M JUST PASSIN' THRU...

From: Darwin
To: Mark Sak
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Your Statement of Faith

"So according to you God is female... Now that creates a problem for you"

No, that creates a problem for you. We believe what the Bible says. As it is written,

"Wisdom calls aloud outside. She raises her voice in the open squares. She cries out in the chief concourses, at the openings of the gates in the city she speaks her words:" (Proverbs 1:20-21)

Wisdom is God (Proverbs 1:23-33; 8:12-36) and Wisdom is Christ (1 Corinthians 1:24, 30; Luke 11:49; Matthew 23:34). Wisdom is she.

"Will this message be added to you website???"

Sure.

From: Mark Sak
To: Darwin
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: Your Statement of Faith

You haven't addressed the problem of pantheism... God is not "Jerusalem"... By saying God is Jerusalem you're stating that a city is God... That is pantheism flat out...
27And the LORD said, I will remove Judah also out of my sight, as I have removed Israel, and will cast off this city Jerusalem which I have chosen, and the house of which I said, My name shall be there. 2Kings 23:27
If God is Jerusalem, as you believe, how then can He cast off himself???

2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:2
So if God is Jerusalem then He's marrying Himself???

21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Galatians 4:21-27
So if Jerusalem is God, then according to Scripture, He is our Mother... All through Scripture God is referred to as Father... Christ refers to God as Father... According to you then Christ is wrong...

Also in Scripture (Rev 21:-2), there is a reference to a New Jerusalem... So if God is New Jerusalem the He (God) has changed... God never changes...

Mr. Fish, you are in error about Jerusalem being God... You've pointed the finger at many Brothers and judged them false teachers... From browsing your website it's safe to say that the only one that gets Scripture right would be yourself... You put God in a box and don't trust Him to lead others to preach and teach the word, led by the Holy Spirit, so in essence you question the power of God... I pray that the Holy Spirit convicts you of this sin and may you ask for forgiveness and approach the Cross with a repentant heart.

Mark S.

From: Darwin
To: Mark Sak
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: Your Statement of Faith

"You haven't addressed the problem of pantheism..."

You haven't addressed the "problem" of Wisdom (God) is indeed a she.

"Pantheism derives from the Greek (Ancient Greek: παν (pan) meaning 'All' and θεός (theos) meaning 'God' - literally 'All is God.' Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical. As such Pantheism promotes the idea that God is better understood as way of looking at natural law, existence, and the Universe (the sum total of all that was, is and shall be), rather than as a transcendent and especially anthropomorphic entity. Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal or creator god; rather, they refer to Nature or the Universe as God."
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism)

There is indeed folly in the above, and God is certainly transcendent (Psalm 113:5-6; Isaiah 57:15). Nevertheless, if the Bible taught all is God (obviously, not as above), I would believe it. Though, I haven't seen that. What I have seen is Jerusalem (Psalm 48:12-14; etc.), the Heavens (Daniel 4:26; etc.), the Throne (Revelation 22:3; etc.), His Kingdom (Matthew 12:28; etc.), the Seven Spirits (Revelation 1:4; etc.), the two Men (Father and Son, John 8:17-18; etc.), and the Scriptures (Galatians 3:8; etc.) are all God.

"If God is Jerusalem, as you believe, how then can He cast off himself???"

Jerusalem is also a reference to the people in it (e.g. Jeremiah 4:14). But, nonetheless, how did He forsake Himself (Matthew 27:46)? How did He crush Himself (Isaiah 53:10)? How did He become sin (2 Corinthians 5:21)? How did He go stripped and naked (Micah 1:8)? How did He lose the wrestling match (Genesis 32:22-30)? How did Jacob prevail against Him (Hosea 12:3-4)? How did they long for Jerusalem if the city was cast off (Psalm 137:5-6)? How did Daniel pray towards a city that was cast off (Daniel 6:10)? Is there something impossible with God (Luke 1:37; Mark 14:36)?

"So if God is Jerusalem then He's marrying Himself???"

So if the church is His body (Ephesians 5:30), did He marry Himself (Ephesians 5:31-32)?

"So if Jerusalem is God, then according to Scripture, He is our Mother"

Isn't that what it says? You quoted it: "But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." (Galatians 4:26)

"Christ refers to God as Father... According to you then Christ is wrong..."

No, according to you Christ is wrong, since He (the Word) is the one who says, "Jerusalem . . . is the mother of us all" (Galatians 4:26), and "He will call her, 'The Lord our righteousness'" (Jeremiah 33:16).

"So if God is New Jerusalem the He (God) has changed... God never changes..."

God indeed never changes (Malachi 3:6). Nonetheless, He "became flesh" (John 1:14), "grew and became strong in spirit" (Luke 2:40), "increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God" (Luke 2:52), "learned obedience by the things which He suffered", and "became the author of eternal salvation" (Hebrews 5:8-9). Amen, God never changes (Hebrews 13:8). He was "slain from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8).

"You put God in a box"

You hypocrite. You are the one limiting God and confining Him to your own understanding (contrary to Proverbs 3:5-6) as your arguments display. You can't hang with the truth, so you pit the truth against itself thinking you have a problem and make a false accusation against us of "Christ is wrong". What folly. You can't even conceive that perhaps the Bible teaches about God in both the male and female genders, as the Scriptures clearly explicitly state. You argue against His word and prove yourself to be reprobate.

"You've pointed the finger at many Brothers"

You are clueless (John 8:44).

From: Ed Anderson [e.anderson51@gmail.com]
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 6:11 AM
Subject: Words That Change Lives...

The bible nowhere says that you have an immortal soul. The bible says "the wages of sin is death." The bible says " the dead know not any thing". The bible says that no man has gone to heaven.

The idea of an immortal soul came from Greek philosophy.

This hell teaching is a scare and control devise, fabricated by mortal man.

If indeed, God sends people to a place of torture forever, then he is not god at all, and not worthy of any worship.

Only Satan himself could come up with such a lie.

You are teaching fables.

May the true God forgive you. ( you don't know what you're doing.)

Any modern church is a spin off from the Roman Catholic Church. They all teach falsehood to one degree or another.

All "religion" will be destroyed when Christ's Kingdom is established on Earth. Then the truth will be proclaimed throughout.

Have a nice day.

From: Darwin
To: Ed Anderson
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: Words That Change Lives...

Ed says, "The bible nowhere says that you have an immortal soul." & "This hell teaching is a scare and control devise, fabricated by mortal man."

Jesus says, "Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28) "Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell." (Luke 12:5)

Ed says, "The bible says that no man has gone to heaven."

God says, "Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2 Kings 2:11)

Ed says, "If indeed, God sends people to a place of torture forever, then he is not god at all, and not worthy of any worship."

God says, "'All flesh shall come to worship before Me,' says the Lord. 'And they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, and their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh." (Isaiah 66:24). "They will be tormented day and night forever and ever" (Revelation 20:10)

Ed's fate.

From: Jay Jimenez [hispeedjay@yahoo.com]
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:17 AM
Subject: Kindly check Bro. Eli Soriano and his Organization (MCGI)

Hi,

Please check http://esoriano.wordpress.com

the website of his organization is www.mcgi.org

His twitter account is http://www.twitter.com/broelisoriano

I believe he has around 300,000 members worldwide

Jay

From: Darwin
To: Jay Jimenez
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kindly check Bro. Eli Soriano and his Organization (MCGI)

Eli Soriano is a false teacher that is leading people to nowhere but hell.

Eli Soriano's Members Church of God International website states, ". . . answers to your inquiries about faith and spirituality from no less than the phenomenal and most sensible preacher today, Bro. Eli Soriano." (www.mcgi.org/en/questions_and_answers/)

Here are some of Soriano's "sensible" answers:

"There's no such thing as original sin." (www.mcgi.org/en/questions_and_answers/original_sin/).

That denies Psalm 51:5; 58:3; Romans 3:10-18; 5:19; 11:32; Galatians 3:22.

Moreover, Soriano claims, "There are two kinds of wine in the Bible: strong and light, that which is not yet fermented, not yet alcoholic. The non-alcoholic, like what Christ made, . . ." (www.mcgi.org/en/questions_and_answers/making_water_into_wine/)

This is a lie nowhere found in holy writ.

Soriano also says, "In the Bible, there are two kinds of wine: intoxicating and non-intoxicating." (ibid.)

This is a lie nowhere found in the Bible (Proverbs 30:5-6; Matthew 15:8-9).

He also says, "if it is intoxicating and you are of God, you will not drink it." (ibid.).

This is another lie nowhere found in Scripture. [For more on alcohol, see our report on that subject.]

He also says, "Christ could not be the cause of drunkenness." (ibid.).

This is another lie. Christ is the cause of all (Romans 11:36), even drunkenness (Isaiah 45:7 KJV) [For more on God being the cause of evil, see "MacArthur Wars Against the Truth", www.atruechurch.info/macwars.html].

On another page Soriano says, "The belief of others claiming that the saints are already in heaven is not true. It is not biblical." (www.mcgi.org/en/questions_and_answers/are_there_people_in_heaven_now/)

This denies alot of Scripture, particularly Matthew 22:31-32; Luke 16:19-31; 23:43; Romans 8:30 ("glorified"); 2 Corinthians 5:8; Ephesians 2:6; Hebrews 12:23 ("just men made perfect"); Revelation 6:9; etc..

On another page, (www.mcgi.org/en/questions_and_answers/people_in_hell/) in answering the question, "Are there people in hell?" Soriano denies that there are and makes Christ out to be a liar as he explicitly denies Christ's words of Luke 16:19-31. In this, he also denies Jude 7.

From: James Monroe, chillin97@yahoo.com
Subject: a true church
To: ronb21@yahoo.com [ron black]
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 1:39 PM

Hi Ron. I read your posted emails with Darwin on the ATC blog. If I may, I'd like to share what happened when I first came to their site. I wasn't searching for it - I was looking up another topic on Google, and I was led there.

As I read it, my first response was to immediately discount them (especially since they "dared" to raise a word against such "accepted men of God"), to rest totally on what I was taught by others, and I emailed Darwin accordingly.

I was not argumentative though...I found that "questioing answers" leads to true learning where "respnding to statements" can lead to...well, to use your words, "confusion".

I was confused because I had been taught so much which was in error (example: the "God-shaped hole in my heart". That sounded so reasonable and wise, and I devoured it. After reading the report on Greg Laurie, I saw that I was grossly misled, and the simple fact that MASSES of peole were following him means nothing whatsoever in the economy of God).

What they present on their site is overwhelming. It led me to such positions as "well, why would God do such and such?", and I learned that an unanswered question was a far cry from Biblical truth. Darwin refers many to Proverbs 2:1-11, and I read it, thought about it, read it again thought again, and I saw that seeking God's wisdom is like an expedition for riches, like Prov 2 says to treat it. I realized that it was folly to discount what Darwin says because of what other men said, just because they were part of a larger group (Biblically, numbers are normally evidence against godliness).

This being said, a desire to learn the truth, utterly divorced from every tradition I had been taught, was born in me. When I abandoned all the traditions, and began at the Scriptures, I felt absolutely no distress when a false doctrine was exposed by Darwin's church. I do fear God's judgments, as Psalm 119:120 mentions. All there is is God's word as a light for my feet (Psalm 119:105). When I have used it thus far (and I highly recommend keeping a Bible with you when you read their articles), my eyes have been widely opened.

I'm not a member of their church. I have, however, corresponded with Darwin more times than I can rememeber - and he has been willing to help every time I sent a question. If you are indeed unnerved by the gravity of all of this, I understand. All I can recommend is that you ask him honest questions (I have asked what certain things in Scripture meant, and he has been great at geting back quickly. He was honest and admitted that he even did not understand one verse I asked about...John 15:22 specifically), and check his answers against the Bible. The hardest thing to do is to let go of your own understanding (the "eternal security" debate is one such point where human wisdom must require that it be one or the other. Their article of that topic (liked here: https://atruechurch.info/security.html) was the best I have ever read, because they recognized that much of God's word conflicts with our understanding, and one need only to believe it...regardless of how hard it might be to comprehend.

In closing, I would like to say that "big church" has spread so much error that it dangerous beyond imagination to assume that every building with a cross on it is a true church of God. The false teachers even help each other out by teaching "Hey, they might have some things you disagree with, but it is still of God's Spirit". That virtually assures unity among many false faiths.

It is overwhelming, terrifying, and the temptation might be to cut and run, and to take refuge by sticking your head back into the sand of false Christianity...but that is no answer at all.

I just wanted to encourage you to continue to read their reports. Don't fire back with an "ah HA...what about THIS...?". Just ask "what about this?, does that teach such-and-such?".

Do not distress when shown truth...just follow it!

From a non-member who has been GREATLY helped by Darwin's ministry.

From: ron black, ronb21@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: a true church
To: "James Monroe" chillin97@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:55 PM

I had no idea my emails to him were being posted on a blog board or what ever...

Actually, I do not discount all that he says, but I do believe that he misses a huge part in the salvation message. First of all, the saving "grace". He totally discounts grace all together.

Matt. 26:28 says "for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

See, God didn't send his only son to die on a cross to 'limit' the number of his children that 'make it to heaven'. I agree that there are going to be some that believe they are saved, but are not...and they are going to be on the outside looking in...but...that is up to Jesus our Lord and Savior to decide...for him to look into their hearts and determine their "genuiness".

It is amazing if you really look at everything together...that yes...there are a number of "false teachers" out there. I am not sure that Darwin isn't one of them...in the FAQ...he believes his is the only church that believes as he does...

The bible says you shall know them by their fruits. What is Darwin's fruit???

Why is his church not growing??? Sure the answer is going to be that people don't want to admit he is right or something along those lines, but I will tell you...some of what he says makes sense...BUT...he totally discounts God's grace to those who genuinely seek him.

My salvation has nothing to do with works. It is a true belief in Jesus as savior and Lord...that gospel hasn't changed in history...He believes he is the only one teaching the true gospel at all.

He can say many are following these others because the many are being decieved. He has no proof of that...and when he has been confronted with doctrinal issues...he doesn't answer questions....at least that is what I have seen...and read about him as recently as today.

If he is so biblically correct...why hasn't he confronted these men that he claims as false to their face??? That is biblical...but he hasn't done it that way...why didn't he do that with Grace church where he was a member??? He didn't, and as of today hasn't done anything to rectify what he did there either...that is not biblical...and according to his own definition...he would be a false teacher as well.

You can claim to be the only biblical person around if you want (Darwin that is) but if you are going to point fingers, don't you have to make sure you are doing everything by the book yourself???? Obviously, he is not.

There are numerous questions about his dealings with the Grace church that he was involved with.

Grace is extended to all who come genuinely asking God for it. He has said he will not hold it back...

So, no, I am not sold on what he is preaching...50 member church and the only one teaching what he is teaching...basically in his FAQ posted...only 8 were saved during the flood...and a correlation is made that only 50 will be saved in modern time when Christ returns because he is the only one doing it right???? I do not buy that.

I do not buy that Billy GRaham is a false prophet. God has brought down those just like PTL club and Jim Baker...that was false...God has uplifted Billy Graham and extended his life and is still using him today. Same with Greg laurie and other's that are mentioned.

Main thing...they are all MEN.

Grace and the blood of Christ and a believing faith is what saved me. I wasn't led down the wrong path...and I know without a doubt based on John 3:16 that I will be in heaven some day...

I believe with all I am that God forgave me of the sins in my life...including a divorce that I did not want. I believe that he sees me in a new light...one trying to live the christian life the best way I can.

My job is not to condemn any man, but to show him God's love and mercy and grace...and to help lead them to God through Jesus the son...

Romans 8: 1-4 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature,[b] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering.[c] And so he condemned sin in sinful man,[d] 4in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit

I believe I am saved and going to heaven. God knows my heart and my desires...I will trust his word...and study them accordingly...Darwin is off base on some points but the biggest is just discounting grace...and the fact that he is so judgmental in answering.

His best answer would be he doesn't konw for sure who is going to be there because the bible also points out that the first will be last...and we will be shocked at who we don't see there...and who we do see there.

I know you will see me there! :)

Ron Black

From: James Monroe
To: ron black
Cc: darwin@atruechurch.info
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: a true church

Why is his church not growing???

Be careful not to let carnal, unbiblical standards confuse you. Numerical growth is never a biblical mark...large numbers are usually the mark of false teachers. On Pentecost, 3000 were saved...but they were also from all over the region (different languages...different tongues), not in one "mega church".

"... He has no proof of that"

He cites Scripture which does give proof (such as John 10, Jesus proclaims that His sheep will by NO means follow a stranger. False teachers are strangers. If any true believer followed them - even the excuse that a "baby" Christian might not know yet, then Jesus missed one means by which they would follow a stranger...but He says by no means). Numerical growth is a man-identified "fruit", not biblical. Fruit is what comes from the mouth of the teacher.

"I do not buy that Billy Graham is a false prophet."

Graham supports the shedding of innocent blood (Proverbs 6:19-20) in the case of rape or incest. That is evil. Their report exposed Graham. If not based on Scripture, Why do you suppose he is not? Based on the carnal measure of numbers? Again, that is worldly. He also denied Muslims as going to hell on Larry King. That is Antichrist, regardless of past activity! Do you believe those are things true prophets teach? (find one in Scripture...thus far, you are relying on unbiblical defenses...beware)

"God has uplifted Billy Graham and extended his life and is still using him today. Same with Greg Laurie and others that are mentioned." Says who, exactly?

Greg Laurie is a liar and teaches directly against God's word on multiple points. What biblical passage supports your statement about either of these men? Numbers in attendance, again?

"If he is so biblically correct...why hasn't he confronted these men that he claims as false to their face??? That is biblical...but he hasn't done it that way..".

Where in Scripture are you commanded to confront them? Ephesians 5:11 says "expose them".

1 Tim 5:17-21 teaches not to receive an accusation against an elder that rules (not false teachers) without 2 or 3 witnesses. Then Paul says to rebuke them openly for all to see.

They haven't been secretly receiving an accusation against any elder. They do, however, openly expose false elders, and they do it with a minimum of 2 or 3!

If you speak of the confrontation in Matthew 18, you will be sinfully misapplying the word because Jesus warns that if someone sins against you, to go to them directly. These people haven't sinned against Darwin's church, thus to use Matthew 18 would be to use scripture out of context (which is evil).

"I believe I am saved and going to heaven. God knows my heart and my desires...I will trust his word...and study them accordingly...Darwin is off base on some points but the biggest is just discounting grace...and the fact that he is so judgmental in answering."

Indeed, because we can't know our own (Jeremiah 17:9) heart. I would point you to the fact the Darwin doesn't discount grace at all...he points to how people turn that grace into lewdness (Jude 4). True grace is never disputed. False grace is. Remember, I do not attend his church, but before I discounted him, I wrote genuine questions...not statements intended to communicate "ah HA, got you there!" because the truth is, until you ASK them what they say, you will often mistakenly TELL them what they say, and that is not "seeking truth", it only reveals a misunderstanding of what is being said.

You cited "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus"

Indeed...but one must be IN the TRUE Christ...but when you defend Graham based on the numbers of Darwin's church, you use carnal standards. When you defend Laurie, whose report CLEARLY points out absolute lies he teaches, you again point to numbers.

Since those who TRULY follow the TRUE Christ will flee from strangers (and teaching that killing a baby is okay depending upon how that baby was conceived EXPOSES a false prophet like Graham...period), don't you find it alarming that you are actually defending exposed liars, asking for unbilical confrontations, and trusting that true grace is the same grace taught by false teachers? Why can people NOT get beyond carnal measures like numbers? Mormon churches can grow HUGE. Muslim congregations can be ENORMOUS...your standard would defend them...If you are consistent in your defense. How can they be discounted??? By the fact that they teach LIES. Have you confronted a Muslim? If not, you are being a hypocrite by your own standard (Matt 7:2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.) Unless you confront godless Muslims, and Mormons, then YOU are false because you hold Darwin to the same standard.

If you defend wicked people,then your belief that you are IN God's grace is utterly wrong, because defending the wicked is an abomination (Prov 17:15 "He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD. )

One can CLAIM to be under grace, but when the Bible shows that their actions expose them as abominations, the claim is useless (1 John 1:6). Abominations are not in Christ...that's silly.

Jesus commended the Ephesian church in Revelation 2 for testing false apostles and finding them liars.

You thus far justify Graham and Laurie...that exposes your claim to be forgiven as false...because as yet, you are still an abomination, and are deceived (thus evil, according to 2 Timothy 3:13).

Again, I'm not a member of their church. But I examine Scripture, what they say, and I have not found (as yet) that they err. What I see is people defending error, assuming that the promises of God apply to them already, when they do not, yet, apply.

Remember, beware the folly of seeing numbers as an evidence. That is carnal, not spiritual. The same "proof" would require Mormons and Muslims to be true faiths as well. The standard is WHAT THEY TEACH. Graham teaches that murder IS ok in 2 cases...Laurie teaches that men SEARCH for God when the bible says NO ONE does (Rom 3:11).

One cannot make GOD the liar and be Christian. You can't lead ANYONE to truth by starting with lies.

I think of it like this: If I jumped off a sinking ship and into a life boat, I would be SO happy to have escaped death. If a smaller boat came by, and those on it shouted "there is a HOLE in your boat, you simply missed it when you got in, and it is sinking!", would I get ANGRY at life-saving warnings and defend my boat because I WANT to believe I am rescued? Or would I joyfully jump OUT of the boat and enter a TRUE life-saving boat?

Don't stay in a sinking boat because you wish it to be real. Use the Bible, expose a sinking boats, and GET OUT. Would you really shout back and say "yeah? Well, if YOUR boat is so safe, why are there so MANY MORE in this one?

For what it was worth...........

From: James Monroe, chillin97@yahoo.com
Subject: unforgivable sin
To: darwin@atruechurch.nfo
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 5:37 AM

The unpardonable sin in Matthew 12:31...is it explicitly verbally blaspheming the Spirit?

Jesus taught that anyone who "speaks a word against" Him can be forgiven - is that where He lays out the defenition of blasphemy in order to warn of blashpeming the Spirit?

In a nut shell, how might a person today commit this offense?

(This verse is often used by chaismatics when people question their gibberish sessions as being thegift of "tongues")

From: Darwin
To: James Monroe
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: unforgivable sin

"The unpardonable sin in Matthew 12:31...is it explicitly verbally blaspheming the Spirit?"

That's the context.

"Jesus taught that anyone who 'speaks a word against' Him can be forgiven - is that where He lays out the defenition of blasphemy in order to warn of blashpeming the Spirit?"

He lays it out explicitly in verse 32: "speaks against the Holy Spirit".

"In a nut shell, how might a person today commit this offense?"

Not sure, since the context is quite unique. Note what Nicodemus testifies in John 3:2 on the Pharisees behalf: "Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him." No duh! They knew exactly that - no one could do such signs unless God was with him. In other words, Nicodemus says they know He is from God.

Note also the account with the man who was blind from birth (i.e. he had never seen the light of day). The Pharisees tell him, "we do not know where He is from" (John 9:29). The blind man (who can now see) responds, "Why, this is a marvelous thing, that you do not know where He is from; yet He has opened my eyes! Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him. Since the world began it has been unheard of that anyone opened the eyes of one who was born blind. If this Man were not from God, He could do nothing" (John 9:30-33). He is not telling them anything they don't already know. He simply points out the obvious.

Also, Jesus points out the obvious and exposes their hypocritical and lying claim that His power is from Beezebub in Matthew 12. If His power was from the Devil (which it wasn't), Satan would be waring against himself. It wasn't just one demon cast out. Jesus had done by this time MANY mighty deeds and cast out MANY demons (Matthew 4:23-25; 8:16, 28-34; 9:32-34; 10:8). In other words, their claim was absolutely stupid and a lie, and they knew it. As the post resurrection account testifies further to their wicked hearts. They knew He rose from the dead, and instead of repenting, they fabricated a lie (Matthew 28:11-13). They lied knowing it was a lie, but this is how against Christ they were. The evidence didn't matter one iota.

"(This verse is often used by chaismatics when people question their gibberish sessions as being thegift of 'tongues')"

Yes, and that typically in hypocrisy, because they will also admit they think such an act can be forgiven as well, but Christ says it cannot (Matthew 12:32).