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From: Tim Hughes
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 12:36 PM
Subject: Please consider this
Hi, my name is Tim, I'm from PA. I recently came across your website and found much to be very interesting and accurate. I spent a substantial amount of time there. I would request that you all would give a substantial amount of time to examine a few of these sites:
www.allathisfeet.com
www.hisemptygrave.com there are others here you may choose to follow links to.
Whatever you "do", seek JESUS only with all your heart, HE IS worth everything you have!
Learning with, and loving HIM more,
Tim
From: Darwin <darwin@atruechurch.info>
Subject: Re: Please consider this
To: "Tim Hughes" <timtru2god@yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 10:57 AM
www.allathisfeet.com on their home page quotes Spurgeon. Spurgeon is a false teacher (www.atruechurch.info/spurgeon.html).
From: Tim Hughes
To: Darwin
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Please consider this
So, am I to understand that there is nothing of any value to be found from anyone or any thing that is not an absolutely perfect expositor of truth and all truth and nothing that is not perfect truth? This would disqualify anyone and anything other than THE WORD, including yourself, would it not? I believe I remember from your site that you don't claim to be the only one to have truth, or a corner on truth, you just hav'nt met anyone who lives in obedience to the truth. (If this is inaccurate please correct me) But, if so then How or could there be anything for you or from you, or anyone else in the world that you hav'nt met that would have any value for the people of God? By the way the litmus test for "REAL FRUIT" is not just "the words that you speak" as Jesus identified in Luke but the daily LIFE that you live. (refernced all throught eh New Testament. IE: Obedience to the light or Word of God as it is brought to you! (Ithink you spoke of this on your site too.) Would you agree that to REALLY know REAL fruit you would have to spend some daily life with a person? I guess bottom line is; I'm asking did you go any beyond the home page or did this "quote" automatically deem all and everything else as "false".. You may want to consider that if I applied this 'rule' or 'standard to your site I would have never read past the first page as you quote Augustine and Hank Hanegraaff, both of whom ,IF applied to your standard of "false teacher" AND mine would qualify as "false teachers". Well my point is simply this: Though scripture would certainly bear out that either or both of these men spoke words other than what was exclusivley in the Bible ie:"false words"; there STILL may be words and or concepts that they spoke that may have a Kingdom value in my life or the life of a true lover of JESUS and HIS LIGHT, through the Holy Spirit in a heart that is truly born from above! I hope that makes a little sense, anyhow :) It is clear as your home page even identifies through the PICTURES. There are many things, events and words in this world that are not God,s heart and desire for His people, yet He will and does show, reveal and teach many things to His people through these events and words. Another example would be the page of your personal history and testimony. Certainly not quotes from scripture yet there can be value to the heart of one who really wants JESUS and HIS way. Would you agree? Consider, please; talk to Father and share with me. I love Him and you.
-Tim
From: Darwin <darwin@atruechurch.info>
Subject: Re: Please consider this
To: "Tim Hughes" <timtru2god@yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 8:17 PM
"you would have to spend some daily life with a person?"
No. For example, if a teacher teaches Jesus isn't God (John 8:24), I don't have to spend time with him to know he is a false teacher. I take it, you do?
"as you quote Augustine and Hank Hanegraaff"
Not as good men as you do with Spurgeon on your site.
"there STILL may be words and or concepts that they spoke that may have a Kingdom value in my life or the life of a true lover of JESUS and HIS LIGHT, through the Holy Spirit in a heart that is truly born from above!"
So, they are not wells without water as the Scripture says (2 Peter 2:17)? There is water to be found in them?
"Another example would be the page of your personal history and testimony. Certainly not quotes from scripture yet there can be value to the heart of one who really wants JESUS and HIS way. Would you agree?"
Is there no difference between teachers who are in the truth and teachers who are of the devil (propagating a false religion)?
From: Tim Hughes
To: Darwin
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Please consider this
Am I to understand that you have never or never do utter one word that is not absolute perfect truth? Do you thus believe that as a man YOU are infallible? Even if you believe this, man is not known by what he professes with his mouth only, but by the life fruit that he bares and lives. The only way I, as a man could truly know if you obey and follow all of JESUS would be to encounter you on a daily basis in multiple life situations. NOT by what you say only! And if you believe that what a man speaks is "THE" measurement of weather he is 'in the truth' or not, then I would suppose you would fully accept one whom all you ever heard them say was: "I am a christian". What a man such as yourself or I spew from our mouth is not the bullet proof truth that we are alive in Christ or even know Him for that matter. ALL mere men, such as you and I are subject to error, ie: no man is infallible! Only JESUS CHRIST, the Man was infallible..
I see no statement on www.allathisfeet that Spurgeon was a good man.
Are you a good man? JESUS said: "there is none good, but GOD.
David, a man after GOD'S own heart, not only spoke falsely but acted against GOD and yet he offers a multitude of GOD"S heart and thought to us in THE WORD. Even JESUS identified that Peter certainly spoke "false" words at one point ('get behind me satan ; Matt. 16: 13-24 PLEASE READ THIS PASSAGE CAREFULLY), and yet JESUS then declared that HE would build HIS church on the rock of the same mans confession that HE was THE CHRIST! And please note the chronological order of these events and words of JESUS. So yes I see that JESUS would consider there to be "water" found in and from Peter, though as a mere man, and yes a chosen disciple and follower of JESUS the Messiah, fallible and capable of speaking far less than perfect truth ALL the time. Would you not?
There is a huge difference in those who are "in" the truth and those who are not, BUT, as I have stated, and multitudes of scripture affirms, just because one can speak elaborately regarding truth does not make him "IN" the truth. His life must DEMONSTRATE the truth on a daily basis in the heat of trial and persecution. Are YOU "IN" the truth? By the way would you tell me where you are located. I would like to visit you all. :)
Really, friend, I find our dialogue as quite superficial and lacking in eternal substance outside of personal relationship. ie: "daily life".
So I really would like to meet you. And if 'your' heart and 'mine' is "REAL" JESUS can and will bring glory to the Father and HIS Kingdom, so that: "NOW, through the church, the manifold wisdom of GOD should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, according to HIS eternal purpose which HE accomplished in CHRIST JESUS our Lord. In HIM and through faith in HIM we may approach GOD with freedom and confidence..." and each other too! Would you agree?
Can we allow JESUS to be LORD and not just SAVIOR? together?
I am praying for that end in us both.
Rejoice in the LORD! I will say it again, Rejoice! Let your gentleness be evident to ALL. The LORD IS near.
"IN" the KING! "IN" JESUS!.... THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE!
From: Darwin <darwin@atruechurch.info>
Subject: Re: Please consider this
To: "Tim Hughes" <timtru2god@yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:55 PM
"Am I to understand that you have never or never do utter one word that is not absolute perfect truth? Do you thus believe that as a man YOU are infallible?"
Please see FAQ #8 & 11.
"JESUS said: "there is none good, but GOD."
He also said, "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things" (Matthew 12:35). And just before that, "For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks."
"there to be "water" found in and from Peter"
Peter was not a false teacher as descibed in 2 Peter 2.
"Are YOU "IN" the truth?"
Yes.
"would you tell me where you are located."
It says on our contact page. We are in Oklahoma.
"Would you agree?"
Would you agree? Would you agree that Jesus kills people (Revelation 2:23), hates them before they are ever born (Romans 9:11-13), destines people to hell forever based on His choice apart from anything they might do (Romans 9:11-23), creates evil (Isaiah 45:7 KJV), and causes everything (Romans 11:36), even causing people to sin (e.g. 2 Samuel 12:11-12; 24:1; Isaiah 63:17)? Is that the King of Kings you believe in?
From: Tim Hughes
To: Darwin
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Please consider this
It appears that you are content with trite counter-debate rather than REAL "LIFE" relationship. I do not wish to tit for tat back and forth on words without an open life. I really don't believe that the previous approach brings much if any honor to JESUS, let alone the building of HIS Kingdom as HE commands ALL HIS people. So I will refrain from response to your new and latest "quotes". Sorry, I just thought that maybe you really did desire ALL of HIM.
HE IS KING REGARDLESS OF YOU OR I AND OUR THOUGHTS!
"ALL of HIM"
I was just trying to find out which HIM you're talking about. Obviously, you're unwilling to say. I didn't know real life relationships couldn't start via email communications.
From: Tim Hughes
To: Darwin
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: Please consider this
"HIM" : JESUS THE CHRIST (there is only one) THE SON OF THE ONLY TRUE AND LIVING GOD!
Centuries have come and gone, men have talked much and yet very few things really change. But, this JESUS, THE CHRIST OF GOD, THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE MESSIAH, HE is the same yesterday, today and forever and IT IS HE who owns my heart no matter what men may say! HIS SPIRIT bears witness that we are the children of GOD, and I cry ABBA FATHER!
Be encouraged and look to HIM. I will continue to be in prayer and petition to FATHER that this one and only JESUS, KING and RULER of ALL the universe will have HIS way in both our hearts and lives.
HIS mercies are new every morning, HE is faithful and true!
From: Darwin <darwin@atruechurch.info>
Subject: Re: Please consider this
To: "Tim Hughes" <timtru2god@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 9:45 AM
It's quite evident your "JESUS THE CHRIST (there is only one)" is not "THE SON OF THE ONLY TRUE AND LIVING GOD!" For if it was, you would answer my question. You would obey Jude 3 and not be a hypocrite as you are (claiming to believe in Jesus, but at the same time disobeying Him). You spoke of a "life must DEMONSTRATE the truth on a daily basis". You can't even demonstrate it with your words, let alone your actions. Actually, your actions in this case demonstate your rebellion and unbelief against God.
You will certainly be in torment forever (Revelation 21:8).
From: Tim Hughes
To: Darwin
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Please consider this
WOW, I am soo sorry for you. I am indeed obeying THE WORD, just for an example: 1Timothy 6:20-21.
May HIS mercy rest upon you.
From: Darwin <darwin@atruechurch.info>
Subject: Re: Please consider this
To: "Tim Hughes" <timtru2god@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 11:25 AM
How is not answering this question: "Would you agree that Jesus kills people (Revelation 2:23), hates them before they are ever born (Romans 9:11-13), destines people to hell forever based on His choice apart from anything they might do (Romans 9:11-23), creates evil (Isaiah 45:7 KJV), and causes everything (Romans 11:36), even causing people to sin (e.g. 2 Samuel 12:11-12; 24:1; Isaiah 63:17)? Is that the King of Kings you believe in?" avoiding profane and idle babblings and contradictions? It is idle babblings to clarify and define the God you believe in, and to talk about the teaching of Scripture regarding who God is and what He does?
From: Tim Hughes
To: Darwin
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Please consider this
I will attempt to answer your questions of me and the scripture, but only on the condition that you will publish this entire dialogue we have had and would continue to have. No editing of any kind whatsoever. If you will agree to this, which would be in accord with a number of quotes you have on there regarding 'openess', 'exposure', 'accountability' etc.; and the right you claim to use and publish such, I will continue to openly answer and dialogue. If this is acceptable; as soon as you post the conversation up to this point, notify me and I will respond to your question.
From: Darwin
To: Tim Hughes
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: Please consider this
Done (www.atruechurch.info/blog.html).
From: Tim Hughes
To: Darwin
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Please consider this
I can't figure out how to access this from your home page. In other words, is the only way to access it is @ www.atruechurchinfo/blog.html?
My intent was that everyone who goes to your 'main' site can easily link to it and view it from there.
From: Darwin
To: Tim Hughes
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: Please consider this
There is a box on the left hand side of our home page (www.atruechurch.info/home.html). In that box the first thing is "Blog." Click that, and it takes you to the page.
From: Tim Hughes
To: Darwin
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Please consider this
Sorry about that, guess I was looking so hard I totally missed it :)
From: Tim Hughes
To: Darwin
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Please consider this
Good morning Darwin,
I can't help but ask you on this gorgeous day if you believe "that it is because of the Lord's great love that we are not consumed, for HIS compassions never fail. They are new every morning; great is HIS faithfulness." ( Lam.3:22-23) ?
To your questions:
Yes, my Father is the God who sovreignly dictates every breath of every man
(Is.11:4; Dan. 5:23; James 4:14) and so HE determines if, when and how each one will live and or die. However please read and listen to the context of each of these passages and the one you quote. Ex: Is 4:1-3; "The Christ of God will judge not by what He sees with His eyes OR decide by what He hears with His ears; but with righteousness He will judge....with justice He will give decisions...righteousness will be His belt and faithfulness the sash around His waist." The reason I will take the time to actually dictate here is that it may help you to consider the whole counsel of God in context. Because from my perspective you often quote snippets of THE WORD which many have done and do and find themselves to think deception is really knowledge. (1Tim. 6:20-21) This would also hold very true for your reference to Rev. 2:23. God certainly chose to limit His mercy and yes even reign wrath on those who willfully and deliberately rise up against the plain, contextual, consistent desires and dictates of His heart and will. IE: sexual immorality, food sacrificed to idols (blasphemy: claiming something to be of GOD and it is of Satan). Jezebel who said one thing with her mouth but LIVED and TOLD others to do things that were clearly to ALL who know HIM a violation of Father's heart.
Yes and No. (I'm sure you'll love that one and chew me up on it :)) BUT, let me elaborate if you will. Please read and consider carefully ALL that I say before; or instead of picking out snippets and parts of what I say and running all over with only part of the whole. GOD is truly and completley SOVEREIGN, HE is perfect in ALL HE does and wills. Thus ALL men are indeed due and rightfully separated from HIM. ALL men are born (even from the time of conception (Ps. 51:5) in sin deserving of nothing but GOD's wrath and "hated".....[(which if you follow the Hebrew from Malachi from which and where Paul is quoting this you will see that the "Hebrew" rendering of the word, though still "hated" carries a quite different intent than our modern day idea or concept. It in fact it connotes: 'the withholding of blessing" This would clarify and affirm the truth of ALL of scripture and the whole counsel of GOD in context:)] ...... BUT, JESUS CHRIST AND HIS BLOOD !!! Yes, ALL men incur GOD's "hatred" if you will (HIS withholding of blessing) from conception, BUT because of HIS LOVE (John 3:16 and myraids of other scriptures) AND ULTIMATELY HIS LOVE FOR THE SON, a SON WILLING to do the WHOLE WILL of the FATHER; "...even the death of the cross" (Philippians 2:8) "....But GOD demonstrates HIS own LOVE for us in this: WHILE WE WERE STILL SINNERS, CHRIST died for us. Much more then, being now justified by HIS BLOOD, we shall be saved from GOD's wrath (or hatred, or withholding of HIS ultimate blessing) through HIM!..." JESUS THE SON! (Romans 5:1-21). PLEASE, Darwin, PLEASE I beg you to pray to the GOD who loves THE SON, and listen to ALL HE has to say to you in ALL HIS WORD!
Yes, It has nothing to do with what we do. (Romans 1,2 & 3 and 9:1-10:23) ALL and in CONTEXT of the WHOLE book.
Yes. GOD HIMSELF created lucifer KNOWING in HIS sovereign wisdom what would happen for time and eternity and that HE would use it for the ultimate consummation of HIS FULL and PERFECT plan to redeem men who would TRUST in NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF HIS SON! Not hoping or trusting in anything, not their own works, (Eph. 2:9; Gal. 2:16; Rom. 3:23; Rom.9:...11...) or words!
Yes. GOD is absolutely without any limitation sovereign; HE rules and dictates and ALLOWS the affairs of men. (the WHOLE Bible in CONTEXT).
NO! I am so sad that you allow light to become darkness to you. PLEASE! I beg you still again stop taking snippets and pieces of GOD's WORD without reading and listening to it ALL. LOOK at this entire passage. David, chose to become prideful and allowed satan to draw him into many deceitful lusts and SINS. AND as with all willful sin and turning away from GOD's love and choosing; thus, HIS wrath (hatred or withholding of blessing) there IS a consequence. "Whatsoever a man sows that he will also reap. The one who sows to please his sinful nature will REAP DESTRUCTION; the one who sows to please the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life!" (Gal. 6:7-8). Again David a classic example of mere man: 1st- conceived in sin, incurring GOD's wrath (hatred), BUT, 2nd- GOD chose him for HIS purposes, 3rd- Though chosen by GOD for GOD pride and deception (sin) slew him, 4th- GOD who is faithful and desires none to parish, sends HIS prophet AND David confesses his sin and repents (1 John 1:5-10). 5th- THE LOVE OF GOD and HIS mercy (Eph. 2:4). And David goes on to loves and be a man after even GOD's own heart! And all this even before JESUS came in the flesh, GOD's great love and mercy prevenientley showing and demonstrating HIS awesome will, wisdom and way!
ALL because FATHER LOVES THE SON!< AND HIS WISDOM IS SOOO FAR BEYOND ALL WE CAN ASK OR THINK! Yes, you and me Darwin. We deserve HIS wrath but HE HAS MADE A WAY for us to FULLY KNOW HIS LOVE! ROMANS 6:23
WILL YOU let HIM LOVE YOU?
Well, it was morning when I started.:)
I have attempted to answer your question line for line in detail.
I would ask that you, patiently and thoroughly line for line and in detail respond, NOT just by snippets of choice here and there as you have done up to this point. If not, then I suppose our dialogue ('relationship') will be limited by your choice.
JESUS can set you FREE! In HIS NAME AND THE POWER IN HIS NAME AND BY HIS BLOOD HE WILL brake the chains; IF YOU WILL let HIM ?
HE IS your hope, NOT what you say or I say !!!
-Tim
8-19-09 - A man from Canada asked if he could have the following posted. So, here it is:
From: valimrds@hotmail.com
This message is for people who wrote on the blog, like Tim H, Aaron (aebudge), Aspen R J, Michael G, Paul W, Tim V. Christy, Dan Barnes,Dave S...and others like them who do not agree, and do not understand Jude 1:3 KJV Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
I was reading on the Blog (a true church) , and I have seen that you can't understand what Darwin F wrote, Why?... its in English, and is from the Bible. But, you don't understand, because you're carnal, natural (KJV But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Cor2:14).
He never promote himself,..but Christ the Lord, and His Father, God Almighty, The only God (1 Cor 8:5). How he (Darwin) come at this ...he does not live for this life anymore, neither for himself (Gal 2:20). You wonder if I understand him? Yes I do. Very well. (Proverbs 28:5)
Does Darwin need my intervention? Not at all (Ps 112:7 KJV). He shall not be afraid of evil tidings: his heart is fixed, trusting in the LORD.
Personally I have never seen him. I was born in Europe, and I live in Quebec, Canada.
All I want for you all is to come humbly to God (KJV For thou wilt save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.)Ps 18:27.
But know also it depends on God (KJV So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.) Rom 9:16.
I hope also,you may find mercy and grace...He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.(Rev 22:11)
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Vasile Sanda
Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. I am stunned to see such twisting of Scripture and can only conclude that you in fact not regenerate, not born again, and if you do not repent, you will pay the penalty of eternal destruction away from the presence of the Lord (2 Thess 1:9). To make it excessively clear to you (if it is not), that verse is referring to Hell and eternal condemnation.
You write "if you do not desire such exposure (Ephesians 5:13)" don't contact you. It's clearly referring to sin and you either 1.) twist it to justify exposing emails that were intended to be private... or 2.) call everything that goes against your personal agenda a sin. On the one hand, eisigesis... on the other, misguided application... either way, lot of pride and lack of reverence for truth.
I do not anticipate you reading much further, but I was watching one of your videos on youtube on hating some pastor for being a five point calvinist. Your group was taking advantage of a layman, making fun of him, and asking him to quote one verse that suggests Jesus died for a specific people... most people can't quote Bible verses in the thick of a moment when put on the spot. Secondly, many people that do end up twisting the meaning. Thirdly, read Ephesians 5:25. Read its surrounding passages. Read the context. A husband's special love for his wife ought to be patterned after Christ's special love for the church, whom He died specifically for. The church is not constituted of everyone in the world, only the elect (those with faith, believers). To say Christ came with the purpose of dying for everyone in the world is not accurate, or else you could also say His blood was wasted on some because they reject Him. Yes, passages refer to Christ dying for the world, and I am still trying to understand that, but you do not take vague passages that can mean any number of things (yes "world" can refer to more than just every single person) and use them to make your points when there are clear passages opposing your teaching.
You teach a message of how you're right and everyone else is wrong. I preach the gospel, Christ crucified first and foremost.
You preach a message of hate and judgment. "The one who does not love does not know God for God is love." (1 John 4:19) You do not know God and if you do not repent, God will judge you.
From: Darwin
To: True Light
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: If anyone has ears to hear and eyes to see
"Repent"
Gladly, if you can show us our error via the Word.
"that verse is referring to Hell and eternal condemnation."
Indeed it is. [and so is Revelation 14:10-11, "He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever;"]
"You write 'if you do not desire such exposure (Ephesians 5:13)' don't contact you. It's clearly referring to sin and you either 1.) twist it to justify exposing emails that were intended to be private... or 2.) call everything that goes against your personal agenda a sin. On the one hand, eisigesis... on the other, misguided application... either way, lot of pride and lack of reverence for truth."
Did you happen to read the verse reference (Ephesians 5:13)? It says, "all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light." We are light (Matthew 5:14) and we make manifest, as it says. Evidently, you do not like the light (John 3:19-20). Jesus said it would all be exposed eventually anyway (Matthew 10:26). Why are you so against it being exposed now?
"hating some pastor for being a five point calvinist."
Yes, we hate those who lead others to eternal torment (Psalm 139:19-22). Limited atonement is a false gospel worthy of eternal hate and condemnation, because it leads people to hell. We say along with Paul (since it is "another gospel"), may all who preach it be accursed (Galatians 1:8-9).
"Yes, passages refer to Christ dying for the world, and I am still trying to understand that"
You will never understand what you reject.
"clear passages opposing your teaching."
One would be very wonderful to see, so we could be corrected, if truly what you claimed was true; for we know that salvation is only through the Truth (John 14:6).
The problem is, you cannot give a single verse that teaches the concept that Christ did not die for someone. Yet, you believe it anyway! This shows your trust is in man (who teaches such lies) and not in God's word. There is not a single verse that teaches that Christ did not die for someone. It even says He bought false teachers (2 Peter 2:1) who most certainly end up in hell (2 Peter 2:17). Hebrews 10:29 speaks of those who were once sanctified by "the blood of the covenant," but now there "no longer remains a sacrifice" for their sins (Hebrews 10:26). Such people certainly end up in hell, as it is written, "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Hebrews 10:31). Jesus Himself spoke of those He would cast into the fire who were once in Him (John 15:1-6). The concept of someone being in hell for whom Christ died is clearly written. Yet, you reject it, because you reject Him; for He is His Word (John 1:1; Revelation 19:13).
You wrote, "To say Christ came with the purpose of dying for everyone in the world is not accurate, or else you could also say His blood was wasted on some because they reject Him."
Those are your words, not Scriptures. You are disobeying Proverbs 3:5-6 and relying on your own understanding. That's why you don't know what "world" means. If you just read 1 John (with the Spirit of Truth) you would know what world means.1 John uses the same term "whole world" in 1 John 2:2 in 1 John 5:19 and it is clearly, at the very least, includes the "whole world" of the ungodly damned, as it says, "the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one."
"You teach a message of how you're right and everyone else is wrong."
Yes indeed, as 1 John 4:6 explicitly states. We are not ashamed of taking such a Biblical stand, for that was and is the message Jesus preached (John 10:8; 14:6), and He is in us (Galatians 2:20) preaching His same message. There truly is only one way, one faith (Ephesians 4:5), not many faiths (Calvinism, Arminianism, Baptist, Brethren, Church of God, etc., etc.). This way of truth (2 Peter 2:2) you know not. If you knew it, you would not condemn us for holding to it ("You teach a message of how you're right and everyone else is wrong."). This shows you yourself are headed for eternal fire (Revelation 21:8), for you are not in the one and only way of truth.
"God will judge you."
Amen! And He will do so by His righteous Word (Hebrews 4:12-13), and we look forward to this day with great anticipation (Philippians 1:21), for that day will condemn the likes of you and justify all who truly follow His word (Matthew 12:36-37; Romans 2:6-10).
May God save you (before it is too late) from the deceit of this age.
From: Henri Paris [henri1803@gmail.com]
To: Darwin
Cc: timtru2god@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: website active?
Friend Darwin -
I will engage you for a time but it will not be for long. Time is short and the return of the LORD draws ever near.
I will also only dialog if, like Tim Hughes, whose guidance is given to you for your good, you agree to post all of my comments and comments from others that may respond to or enter into our dialog. I will not play word games with you, though to be blunt, I may conclude, based on the content of your website, that I am both more intelligent and clever than you are.
You seem to be carrying a heavy burden of bitterness. You can be freed from this. God loved you so much he sent his son to die for you. He loves you even when you slander so many precious souls redeemed by the very blood of the Lamb.
I am not citing scripture because you know it very well. But Jesus the Risen Christ, the Word made flesh, sent his Holy Spirit to be our comforter. Take comfort in HIM, rather than your cleverness or ability to quote scripture out of context. Seek first his KINGDOM. God has shown you what is good and what is desired of you: to do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with Him.
Tim Hughes offered to meet you. Why are you so afraid? You can be free of this and all other fear. Perfect love casts out all fear. I'll pay your your gas and lodging expenses for you to to take Tim up on his offer.
Henri Paris
In the above email Henri Paris wrote, "I am both more intelligent and clever than you are."
God has written, "Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him." (Proverbs 26:12; see also Isaiah 5:21)
From: Henri Paris
To: Darwin
Cc: Tim Hughes ; aebudge@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:41 PM
Darwin, as one who has lived longer than you and who knows how difficult anger, resentment and self-sufficiency can be to overcome, I urge you -- humble yourself under the mighty hand of God, that he might exalt you at the due time.
Look at the previous verse: be subject one to another (sorry, pal, you are NOT the last word, and your claims to know truth tread dangerously close to blasphemy), and be clothed with humility: for God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.
That grace is for you, if you want it!
By the way, nobody quotes scripture better than Satan himself. And his Greek and Hebrew scholarship are better than yours too.
And I said I may conclude (not necessarily do conclude) that I am more intelligent than you, based on your website. I have no doubt you have intellectual gifts, but they are not particularly evident in your website. I did not claim wisdom, by the way.
Also, you really have no logical basis to accept the 66-book canon of scripture, which was adopted by the CATHOLIC Council of Nicea, and reject the creeds. Really, you are the authority unto yourself, since you are claiming absent ANY OTHER human or even divine perspective, that you know what is the word and what is not.
Talk about wise in his own eyes.
You state that you now believe all of the christian groups you associated with in the past are false. By your own admission you suffer from an appalling lack of judgment. Your track record, by your own admission, is poor. And yet you say you are right and countless other people who name Jesus as Lord, known only to God (not you), are wrong?
Get the log out of your own eye and PLEASE don't give your children the Kool-Aid.
If you are as bold as you claim to be, you will publish this in its entirety. I am not offended that you choose not to engage in reasoned dialog -- very sad though. You have a lot of years of misery ahead of you.
HP
ps to Aaron - The pentecostal had it wrong. contact me for more info
Notice the following antichrist (anti- 2 Timothy 3:16-17) statement by Henri: "you are the authority unto yourself, since you are claiming absent ANY OTHER human or even divine perspective, that you know what is the word and what is not."
In other words, some other human has to agree with you in order to be correct (or some other god (?), since he says, "ANY OTHER . . . divine perspective," and in our context, the only divine perspective we have allowed is that of the one and only God, Scripture). According to Henri, no one can stand on God's Word alone. If you do, you are one who is "wise in his own eyes." Henri's, "absent ANY OTHER human" = standing on God's word alone.
So, in this antichrist standard, Noah was wise in his own eyes. No one agreed with Noah other than his own family. And, all that Noah relied on was what God said (i.e. the Word), for he was "warned of things not yet seen" (Hebrews 11:7). Noah condemned the entire world (Hebrews 11:7). Everyone else on the earth died in the flood.
1 John 2:26-27 says,
These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
Henri is one of "those who try to deceive you." In his statement above, he denies 1 John 2:27, which applies to every true believer. No true believer in God's Word (Jesus) "need that anyone teach" them (1 John 2:27). In other words, they do not need "ANY OTHER human" as Henri so emphatically wrote. Henri condemns anyone who would dare "know what is the word and what is not" on their own. God, on the other hand, condemns anyone who would dare not "know what is the word and what is not" on their own, for He has written,
Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength. (Jeremiah 17:5)
God describes this one as, "whose heart departs from the Lord" (Jeremiah 17:5).
Every man, "each of us shall give account of himself to God" (Romans 14:12), and it is His Word (Scripture) "to whom we must give account" (Hebrews 4:12-13). It is therefore eternally imperative that each man make sure he is heeding what God says, and that he is not diverted from Scripture and deluted onto the doctrines of men (Matthew 15:8-9; 2 Peter 3:17). This is so utterly important, it is a matter of eternal life or eternal torment, as Jesus said,
Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall. (Matthew 7:24-27)
Christ's words are a serious warning to all!
Henri also wrote, "You state that you now believe all of the christian groups you associated with in the past are false. By your own admission you suffer from an appalling lack of judgment."
Evidently, according to Henri, it's "an appalling lack of judgment" to be saved from the mass false Christianity of which Scripture warns (2 Timothy 3:1-5; 4:3; 2 Peter 2:2). Of course, coming from one caught in it, this is not a suprising judgment.
Henri also wrote, "PLEASE don't give your children the Kool-Aid."
We've had the Kool-Aid and we all seem to be doing just fine. I wonder what his concern is? Too much sugar maybe?
From: Billjankolb2@aol.com
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:32 PM
Subject: Question
Hello.....
You list the false teachers, ministries, etc. A good, long list. Now.....
Would now please list the ones you do approve so your audience will have something to believe in, and to receive teachings that are Truth. Or are there any?
Thanks,
Jan
From: Darwin
To: Billjankolb2@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: Question
Jesus
Paul
Peter
John
James
Matthew
Mark
Luke
Agur
Lemuel
Ethan
Heman
Asaph
Moses
Elijah
Elisha
Ezekiel
Joshua
Job
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Amos
Joel
Malachi
Hosea
Daniel
Nahum
Zephaniah
Zechariah
Haggai
Habakkuk
Obadiah
Solomon
Micah
David
Ezra
From: Billjankolb2@aol.com
To: darwin@atruechurch.info
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: Question
hahaha.....great answer! Thanks.
Jan
From: steven liles [stevenliles79@hotmail.com]
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:27 PM
Subject: Name of God
Dear Mr. Fish,
Have you ever considered or thought about why The Name of The Messiah was translated as "Jesus" in English. I see from your website that you do extensive research on The Truth and I would like to know if you would consider or have looked into this. As you probably know, the "J" sound didn't exist in the Latin, Greek or Hebrew languages. I am very curious as to why William T translated this way when it should have been an "H" sound or "Y" sound in our language.... Is this question or thought of mine even relevant? I have always considered The Name of God as being important, but I'm not educated in these matters. I do know that God's Name in the OT is YaHWeH...
Thanks for considering this email. I really do appreciate your help.
Steven R. Liles
From: Darwin
To: steven liles
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: Name of God
From what I can tell, it appears to be the result of the morphological change of the English language over time, and, in my opinion, combined with, at times, not very good transliteration. It is not just the name of Jesus that is effected. Many names in the OT and NT, if you were to transliterate today their names as we speak today, they would come out quite different. For example, in the OT there is Eve (Havvah), Cain (Qayin), Abel (Havel), Enoch (hanokh), Moses (Mosheh), Solomon (Shelomoh), etc.. In the NT there is James (iakôbos), Judah (ioudas), Jeconiah (iechonian), etc., etc.. In fact, did you know that in the NT Judah, Judas, and Jude are all the same exact name in the Greek? They are all ιουδας (ioudas) which is actually the Greek name for the Hebrew name Judah (e.g. Matthew 1:2).
This is one of many reasons I am working on a translation of the Bible. But, on this issue (transliterated names) I have chosen to keep the already established names in the English the same in my translation and simply footnote the difference. It would be quite confusing to the reader otherwise, since these names are already established in our vernacular. Also, the Bible is the standard of what is a proper understanding on this issue, and when you study the names used in the NT compared to the same names in the OT, they are not always transliterated "exactly". Note above the name Judah. In the OT Judah in the Hebrew is Yehudâh. In the Greek it is ioudas. That's quite different.
I have seen people get quite wacked on this issue and they rely on their own understanding (Proverbs 3:5-6) and their own standard (Matthew 7:1-2), rather than having a Biblical perspective. They start talking about Jesus being a pagan name, etc.. Did you know God uses a "pagan" name for Himself? "Baal" is no doubt the pagan name for a predominate false god in the OT (e.g. Numbers 22:41; Deuteronomy 4:3; 1 Kings 16:31; etc.). It means Lord, husband, owner, master, depending on the context. But, nonetheless, the Lord uses it of Himself in e.g. Nahum 1:2 (more literally, "baal of fury" or "owner of fury"); Isaiah 54:5 (more literally, "your husbands" or "your baals" [This verse is interesting, it more literally reads, "For your husbands, your makers, his name is the LORD of hosts.]). In 1 Chronicles 14:7 Beeliada means "Baal knows." This is one of David's sons (1 Chronicles 14:3-7) and his name is apparently also called Eliada (Hebrew, 'elyâdâ`) "God knows" (2 Samuel 5:16). In 2 Samuel 5:20 (1 Chronicles 14:11) David calls the place Baal Perazim. Baal here is a referrence to Yahweh where David says, "Yahweh has broken through . . .".
When going from one language to another, it is not an exacting science, but some seem to think it is, but the Scriptures themselves do not bear out such a perspective. For more on that, see our article on the kjv controversy (www.atruechurch.info/kjv.html).
From: holyfire43@comcast.net
To: Darwin
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: afalse teachers or accurate??
Darwin, what about the teachings at www.pathoftruth.com/ their teachings appear to be sound and biblical. Thanks
From: Darwin
To: holyfire43@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: afalse teachers or accurate??
They reject Luke 16:19-31 (www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/lazarus.htm).
They teach to abstain from foods (1 Timothy 4:3; Hebrews 13:9; www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/christiandiet.htm). Romans 14:17 says, "the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking". This website thinks it is.
They think the lake of fire is a place of purging and cleansing rather than ultimate condemnation and torment forever (www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/seconddeath.htm).
They also teach you must keep the Sabbath (www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/sabbath.htm).
He also lists me as a false teacher (1 John 4:6; www.thepathoftruth.com/falseteachers/index.htm).