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From: "Tom Melnick" tmelnick1965@yahoo.com
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 6:31 PM
Subject: You are Hell bound for you lies, deceits and perversion of God's word
After stumbling upon your website, and I use the word stumbling loosely, it is YOU who are false teachers and bound for Hell. You are the ones who interpret the Bible the way you feel it should be interpreted. I pray that God utterly destroys you because you are the ones who will say in that day "Lord, Lord..."
I cannot not say I'm praying for you because you are the ones who are causing many to stumble and like MY Lord and Savior Jesus Christ said,
"...And whoever causes one of these little ones who believe to stumble, it would be better for him if, with a heavy millstone hung around his neck, he had been cast into the sea."
You are in the same category as Westboro Baptist Church with members who are bound for Hell also.
I pray for unbelievers in my family, as well as friends, but you, I have no mercy on.
From: "Darwin" darwin@atruechurch.info
To: "Tom Melnick" tmelnick1965@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: You are Hell bound for you lies, deceits and perversion of God's word
Well, at least you have the concept of no hope (no mercy) for false teachers correct (2 Peter 2:1-3, 12, 17). We can see by your email you "have no mercy on" us, since you gave us nothing to repent of. Telling us we are wrong ("lies"), without Biblically showing how, is indeed no mercy.
Of course, we know (because we believe what God says about people like you) you are certainly lost (1 John 4:6) and will assuredly perish with the "unbelieving" (Revelation 21:8), because you reject God's word which we preach (John 8:47).
Not sure why you wrote, other than Proverbs 18:2.
From: Clemens
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:43 AM
Subject: Deut 22:5
Hello ATC,
I found it interesting that you would mention Deuteronomy 22:5 on the page pertaining to men https://atruechurch.info/men.html, however, you make no such mention on the page for women https://atruechurch.info/women.html.
The verse first speaks against women wearing man's clothing before prohibiting men wearing woman's clothing. I wonder how you all determine what is man's and what is woman's clothing today?
Clemens
From: Darwin
To: Clemens
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Deut 22:5
Thank you! I added Deuteronomy 22:5 to the article.
The answer to the clothing issue is found in 1 Corinthians 10:32-33 & Romans 12:18.
Give no offense, either to the Jews or to the Greeks or to the church of God, just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved. (1 Corinthians 10:32-33)
If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peacably with all men. (Romans 12:18; see also Romans 14:13, 16, 19, 21; 2 Corinthians 4:2)
We make sure our clothing does not offend anyone and cause others to think we are cross-dressing like Deuteronomy 22:5 describes. Also, a person's own conscience needs to be good as well on the matter (Romans 14:22-23; 2 Corinthians 1:12; 1 Timothy 1:5, 19; 3:9; 2 Timothy 1:3; 1 Peter 3:15-16).
From: Clemens
To: Darwin
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: Deut 22:5
Thank you. Have you ever seen http://aent.org/ and http://www.isr-messianic.org/pubs/pubs.shtml? They claim to have Hebrew and Aramaic manuscripts for most of the New Covenant books.
From: Darwin
To: Clemens
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Deut 22:5
$64.95! Wow, that's an expensive "Bible" (or for a "mispaginated" version, $24.95; http://netzari.corecommerce.com/BOOKS-c13/). Likewise, $133 leather cover large print, $110 leather cover; $57.40 hardcover (www.isr-messianic.org/cc_orders/pricelist.shtml; $21.30 softcover)! They are obviously in it for the money (John 10:12 hirelings), because they do not make their books available for a free pdf download (which would cost virtually nothing on their part). They offer a free download of a pdf example page of the books, but not the books themselves. What money hungry charlatans! If they really cared about getting truth out to people, they wouldn't be holding it back to make a buck. They are religious bookstores making money "as they exploit" (2 Peter 2:3).
On the one website, on their about us page (http://netzari.corecommerce.com/About-Us-4.html) they write,
Our vision is to publish Bibles, books, videos and praise music that bring Shalom (Wholeness) and Justice (Righteousness) to each soul.
It's all for a price. A little after this they write,
We saw a need to provide English speakers with access to the Aramaic and Hebrew culture of Y'shua (Jesus) and the Apostles.
The truth is they saw $$.They "suppose that godliness is a means of gain" (1 Timothy 6:5).
In their supposed Aramaic English New Testament they have "Elohim" for "God" (for example in Matthew 22:32) which is a translateration of the Hebrew word for "God" (or "Gods" or "gods" depending on the context). It is not Aramaic. The Aramaic for this word is "Elahin," yet this isn't even what is in their Aramaic NT in, for example, Matthew 22:32 where they translate "Elohim." The word for God there is "Alaheh" (אַלָהֶה), yet they translate it into "Elohim."
This website, aent.org, claims the original NT was not written in Greek, but rather Aramaic. Yet, they give no proof, except via buy the video (or book).
At http://www.isr-messianic.org/pubs/pubs.shtml their Bible is just another English translation of the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures.
From: "Jonathan Reinke" jonareinke@gmail.com
To: "feedback" feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Billy Graham
I was reading your article on Billy Graham as a false teacher and was alarmed at all that he has compromised. But then I thought I recognized the bitter style of your remarks. Sure enough, it was written by "A True Church."
Now I know not to listen to anything in that article because it was written by yourselves.
I also know that you will think this is hate mail and you are being persecuted for righteousness sake, but you are not.
You consistently add to the message of salvation and complicate things so thoroughly that no child could ever come to salvation through your teaching.
Regarding your articles on masturbation and polygamy, I suspect that your lack of ability to understand and teach the simplicity of the gospel comes from the acceptance of these sins (and probably others). Sin warps the minds of people and brings them to a point of being unable to discern (reprobate minds). I hope it is not too late for you and your group to repent and experience true liberty in Christ.
Jonathan
From: "Darwin" darwin@atruechurch.info
To: "Jonathan Reinke" jonareinke@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Billy Graham
Is there a reason you wrote? You told us we are wrong, but gave no substance to your claim. You gave zero Scriptural proof. You gave not a single Scriptural argument (Jude 3). Do you expect us to be simple-minded and just believe whatever you say (Proverbs 14:15)? Do you think you are the standard of truth? How can your words benefit us?
We constantly search the Scriptures (Proverbs 2:1-12) to see if these things are so (Acts 17:11), and we have seen and continue to understand they are according to the Word of God (Hebrews 4:12-13). Based on what you wrote us, we can only conclude you are antichrist (anti-scripture), since you speak against the Truth (John 14:6) we have seen in the Bible (John 8:47; 1 John 4:6), and you gave us nothing but your opinion to the contrary.
From: "Jonathan Reinke" jonareinke@gmail.com
To: "Darwin" darwin@atruechurch.info
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Billy Graham
My purpose is I hope you will be turned from your ways of sowing discord and repent toward God.
Proverbs 6:16
16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
First, you perpetuate discord among Christian leaders, or brethren (and excuse it by saying they are not true brethren, but if they are all false teachers then they are children of Satan and they are indeed brethren of each other - either way you are wrong).
Second, you reflect great pride. Sure, your words are to the contrary, but I can see it in your "critiques of Christian leaders" clear as day. You will not admit that you could be wrong when disagreeing with them or that they could be wrong and still be saved. The Bible never states that one cannot be deceived in any way and
As far as false doctrine goes.
Masturbation: Although the Bible does not specifically state against masturbation, neither does the Bible Speak specifically against drugs, injuring people (without maiming them), kissing another man's wife, fondling children sexually, etc. There are many things that we (and you) believe by implication from the scriptures and by specific application to less specific commands.
For example: Mark 9:42
And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. Are we to say from this verse that there is no "command" against offending little children? It is only a suggestion? Does fondling a child's privates offend them? How literal do we get?
I believe there are many applications to this teaching including it is wrong to beat children, sexually fondle them, verbally abuse them, etc. even though it does not specifically say so.
Back to masturbation. Ephesians 5:3 says But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints.
What is fornication? Is it any sex? Is it desire for sex with a purely selfish cause? Is it premarital sex? What is it? What is uncleanness? Who is to say that masturbation is not uncleanness? I say it is! You say it isn't! Who is right? Well of course you are, because you are in the truth and I am not! Do you see where this is going? Do you see the pride in this kind of reasoning? If this is not the way you think then let me know. Tell me how you decide who is right and who is not regarding application to the generic commands of the Bible.
I believe masturbation is wrong because it cannot be done for any reason other than a selfish cause. It is having sex with ones self. An affair with ones self. To excuse such a sin is preposterous!
I hope you will consider this and the other exhortations from one who is fully resting in the grace of God and the perfect, complete work of His Son Jesus Christ.
Jon
From: "Darwin" darwin@atruechurch.info
To: "Jonathan Reinke" jonareinke@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: Billy Graham
"if they are all false teachers then they are children of Satan and they are indeed brethren of each other - either way you are wrong"
You are wrong. Both Christ (Luke 12:51; John 7:43; 9:16; 10:19) and Paul caused discord (Acts 23:6-7). Thus, according to your standard (Matthew 7:2), they need to "turn from" their ways and "repent toward God."
Moreover, your claim is idle. There is no discord among the false teachers because of us. There was discord because of Christ and Paul. But, we have seen no such response.
"You will not admit that you could be wrong when disagreeing with them "
You simply slander like your father the devil (as in John 8:44/Revelation 12:10). I have an entire web page in which I declare I have been wrong on matters (www.atruechurch.info/rejecttapes.html). But, you assume evil upon me, and have no substance to this claim of yours.
"or that they could be wrong and still be saved."
The Bible tells us otherwise. According to the Bible, there is no salvation for anyone preaching a false Christ and a false gospel (John 14:6; Galatians 1:8-9; 2 John 9; 2 Peter 2:1-3, 12, 17; etc.). All of them preach a false Christ and a false gospel. There is no salvation there.
Moreover, your "does not specifically say so" is not a Biblical argument. It is an argument out of your own reason. All of those issues the Scriptures do address and there is an answer to them in the Word, just as there is for masturbation, which you reject the Scriptures thereof (1 Corinthians 6:12; 10:23; Titus 1:15; etc.). You even admit it is your own opinion that masturbation is uncleaness. Your opinion (and mine) is wortheless (Psalm 94:11) and the doctrine of men (in your case, Matthew 15:8-9).
"If this is not the way you think then let me know."
It is not.
"Tell me how you decide who is right and who is not regarding application to the generic commands of the Bible."
The one that follows the Bible. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 declares we have all we need in Scripture. The answers are there, if you believe them; but you don't.
"I believe masturbation is wrong because it cannot be done for any reason other than a selfish cause."
That's because, as Titus 1:15 says, you are defiled. To the "unbelieving nothing is pure."
"It is having sex with ones self."
That's your idea.
"such a sin"
You are so bold against the Word of God (Proverbs 30:5-6) to declare something a sin that God has not declared to be sin. In this you add to His Word (as Proverbs 30:6 says not to do) and He will declare you are liar, just as He promises. All liars will have their part in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8).
Finally, you think you rest in His grace, but you have been deceived into believing in a false Christ and a false gospel, and you don't rest in His grace. It is apparent that you are caught in the false Christianity of this age (2 Timothy 3:1-5; 4:3; 2 Peter 2:1-2; etc.) by your acceptance of false teachers (ministers of Satan, as in 2 Corinthians 11:13-15).
May the Lord have mercy on you, humble your heart, open your eyes, and save you before it is too late.
From: "Jonathan Reinke" jonareinke@gmail.com
To: "Darwin" darwin@atruechurch.info
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: Billy Graham
Thank you for the exhortation,
You are partially right about the discord concept. Jesus and Paul both caused discord.
I would like to clarify a few other things, however. They are simple questions. And the Bible does not speak to them directly.
1. Is it sin to fondle a child sexually?
2. Is it sin to beat your wife?
3. Is it sin to beat your child?
4. Is it sin to celebrate Christmas?
or as you said,
That's because, as Titus 1:15 says, you are defiled. To the "unbelieving nothing is pure."
does the verse above apply to all of these things? Are these things pure for believers but not unbelievers (I am hoping for a serious, genuine, Biblical answer)?
Jon
From: "Darwin" darwin@atruechurch.info
To: "Jonathan Reinke" jonareinke@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: Billy Graham
1. Yes. If it is same sex, Romans 1:26-28 condemns it. If it is opposite sex, Scripture teaches sexual activity with someone other than your spouse is immoral. This is well illustrated via Him whose Name is Jealous. God repeatedly condemns Israel for seeking other lovers other than Himself and He calls it harlotry and sexual immorality (e.g. Hosea; Ezekiel 16; 23). This concept is likewise found in James 4 and in Revelation 17 & 18 with the fornication (sexual immorality, porneia in the Greek) the kings of the earth commit. See also 1 Corinthians 7:1-5; Hebrews 13:4; Proverbs 5:15-20; etc..
2. Yes. "Love does no harm to a neighbor" (Romans 13:10).
3. Yes (Romans 13:10)
4. Yes. Those who worship God MUST worship in spirit and in truth (John 4:24). There is no truth in Christmas (www.atruechurch.info/christmas.html). It is a Catholic/pagan holiday, and is worship of a false Christ (a demon).
Finally, Titus 1:15 (& 1 Corinthians 6:12; 10:23) applies to matters the Scriptures do not reveal are sin (e.g. masturbation
www.atruechurch.info/masturbation.html, smoking
www.atruechurch.info/smoking.html; gambling
www.atruechurch.info/gambling.html; drinking alcohol
https://atruechurch.info/alcohol.html; etc.).
From: drharper [drharper@afo.net]
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:33 AM
Subject: questions about EMDR and Psychoheresy issues
Do you have an article about the deception of Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR)?
in JESUS my Beautiful Savior King's Service,
Anthony
Rev. Anthony Harper, Ph.D., publisher
Treasure Valley Christian News d.b.a. InterMountain Christian News
P.O. Box 1829
Boise, ID 83701
Office and cell (208) 703-8688
Web Site: http://www.imcnews.org/paper/drharper.php
From: Darwin
To: drharper
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: questions about EMDR and Psychoheresy issues
Sorry, we do not have an article on it. It is just another form of psychotherapy (Colossians 2:8), a psychological worldly approach to dealing with sin and the consequences of sin, a debased mind (Romans 1:28).
Faith in the Word of God (Matthew 4:4) is the only thing that will give a person a sound mind (Isaiah 26:3; 2 Timothy 1:7). On faith in the Word of God, you may want to see our Statement of Faith (www.atruechurch.info/statement.html).
From: drharper
To: Darwin
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: questions about EMDR and Psychoheresy issues
I would like to talk with you over the phone more about psychoheresies. What is a good phone number to call you at?
From: Darwin
To: drharper
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: questions about EMDR and Psychoheresy issues
Did you read our Statement of Faith (www.atruechurch.info/statement.html)? I doubt you will still want to talk after reading that.
[We did not hear back from this person, as of 1-25-11.]
From: Donna Winiarski [wini2@sbcglobal.net]
To: Darwin Fish
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:21 PM
Subject: Do you know anything about ..
Do you know anything about the Sikhs book of knowledge. Where did it come from? Are they saying this is wisdom? Christians are having a debate with fools on of all places (CNN's blog) and of course they are going against Jesus' teachings.
The Eleventh and Last Guru of the Sikhs
The Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the holy book of Sikhism and is the eleventh Guru of the Sikhs. The Holy Granth Sahib is treated like a living Guru by the Sikhs and is respected, loved and cared for like the previous living Gurus before.
The Guru Granth Sahib was made the last and perpetual Guru of the Sikhs in 1708 by the tenth Sikh Guru, Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Before his demise, he instructed the Sikhs to treat the Granth Sahib as their next and eternal Guru. So all in all the Sikhism has 11 Gurus - 10 in human form and the Granth Sahib.
The Guru Granth Sahib is a voluminous book of 1430 pages and is held by the Sikhs as a sacred conduit for wisdom and guidance.
From: Darwin
To: Donna Winiarski
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: Do you know anything about ..
It's just another false religion that teaches "equality of mankind" (www.sikhs.org/), which is contrary to the Bible (e.g. 1 Timothy 2:11-14; etc.). Their god is one of "No Hatred" (www.sikhs.org/english/frame.html, p. 1) which is not the God of Scripture (e.g. Romans 9:13).
Their Holy book (Sri Guru Granth Sahib) teaches the earth is held by a mythical bull.
"The mythical bull is Dharma, the son of compassion; this is what patiently holds the earth in its place." (p. 3, verse 15)
The Bible teaches the earth hangs on nothing (Job 26:7).
The God of the Bible has a form (John 5:37). Their god does not. As it is written,
"You, Eternal and Formless One." (p. 4, verse 16 & 17; p. 8 verse 36 "the Formless Lord")
They also believe in karma and reincarnation (e.g. p. 2, verses 3 & 5; p. 4, verse 19; p. 25 first line; p. 26 first line). The third verse from the end on page 26 well illustrates this.
"You may enjoy the pleasures of hundreds of thousands of women, and rule the nine continents of the world. But without the True Guru, you will not find peace; you will be reincarnated over and over again."
This is contrary to Hebrews 9:27; Luke 16:19-31.
On page 6 their book reads,
"Many speak and try to describe Him. Many have spoken of Him over and over again, and have then arisen and departed. If He were to create as many again as there already are, even then, they could not describe Him. He is as Great as He wishes to be. O Nanak, the True Lord knows. If anyone presumes to describe God, he shall be known as the greatest fool of fools!"
This book describes Him, and even in this quote he is described by the writer. This same page describes Him further:
"That True Lord is True, Forever True, and True is His Name. He is, and shall always be. He shall not depart, even when this Universe which He has created departs. He created the world, with its various colors, species of beings, and the variety of Maya. Having created the creation, He watches over it Himself, by His Greatness. He does whatever He pleases. No order can be issued to Him. He is the King, the King of kings, the Supreme Lord and Master of kings." (verse 26)
And,
"I bow to Him, I humbly bow. The Primal One, the Pure Light, without beginning, without end. Throughout all the ages, He is One and the Same." (verse 27)
Therefore, holding this writer to his own words (Matthew 7:2), he is "the greatest fool of fools!" since he "presumes to describe God."
Thus, according to their own holy book, sikhs are those who follow "the greatest fool of fools."
From: "Bruce Whittaker" bwhittaker@centurytel.net
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 6:24 PM
Subject: Responsibility vs. Pride
I was brought to your site by a search of Les Feldick, that a friend of mine was recommending for the Bible study they are conducting... which I cannot attend due to a schedule conflict.
I appreciated your pointing out some severe flaws in his doctrine which will serve me as a "heads-up" . That is exactly why I did the search on-line about Les Feldick.
When I surveyed other parts of your website, I ran across some very disturbing accusations and judgements of others.
You have responsibilities outlined in Romans 14 to ACCEPT those weak in the faith; to NOT JUDGE, but to BUILD UP. Therefore, you should be admonishing directly, those you disagree with (with a loving heart). You should be praying for them, in what you perceive are their faults. You should be offering to help them understand what you believe you see more clearly. Instead I saw you brazenly declaring Billy Graham and others as unbelievers, because of differences. I didn't agree with every last item you stand for in your faith; but I believe that your faith is genuine. I love you as brothers and sisters in the Lord, and that should be the foundation of our relationship with the Church. If we are not led by love, we are serving our own vanity and pride.
I prayed for you before I wrote this letter, and that I would be useful in communicating this. May it be received with the constructive criticism it was sent with.
In His service,
Bruce A. Whitaker, MSgt, USAF, retired
From: "Darwin" darwin@atruechurch.info
To: "Bruce Whittaker" bwhittaker@centurytel.net
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Responsibility vs. Pride
The ones you call "weak in the faith" we know to be not in the faith (as 2 John 9 reveals), but rather Satan's ministers (as in 2 Corinthians 11:13-15). Sorry to see that you don't know God and His truth and His way (Matthew 7:13-14; John 14:6). If you did, you would not attempt to justify Satan's men.
From: "Bruce Whittaker" bwhittaker@centurytel.net
To: "Darwin" darwin@atruechurch.info
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 1:25 AM
Subject: Are you the Anti-Christ?
I approached you with a spirit of merely helping you to not be so confrontational and judgmental toward others with differences. I meant everything I said in love and a spirit of helping someone understand the affect of their emotional, vain, and prideful myopic interpretation of the Bible. You have twisted our faith to the point that I do not call you brother. Rather I have prayed boldly in Jesus name the prayer that Jesus gave to the 12, in Matthew 10:14. I brought you the Holy Spirit's calling in me, with prayer, to help correct you.
You sir, have denied the Holy Spirit! Your vanity is your fall! Dear heavenly Father I repeat my call for you to silence this usurper of your Word. Who bends and twists nuances into his own prideful doctrine. I shake the dust from my feet. I will try to love him if he repents, but Lord I come before you boldly in the name of Jesus that you take this one from this earth. Destroy him and visit his family and associates with your righteous wrath! Father, this man is causing harm to the brethren while poisoning your Word by misusing it for personal gain. For the sake of the Church, for the sake of the young and ignorant that you so care for... He is tearing down their opportunities to come to know You through dissension and lies of the very Lord he pretends to serve. Lord strike him from your Book of Life for his faith is not in you, but in self-promoting power. And Lord be this my ultimate sincerity that if you judge his service to You of greater value, visit upon me the request I have made. Thus with absolute sincerity and a desire for Your will, I pray boldly in Jesus name. AMEN!
From: "Darwin" darwin@atruechurch.info
To: "Bruce Whittaker" bwhittaker@centurytel.net
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: Are you the Anti-Christ?
You have hated us, cursed us, and prayed we would burn forever in hell. Yet, you have not shown Biblically how we err. Giving us Romans 14 and claiming these men are in the faith, without any proof that they are, proves nothing.
You claim the men we expose as false teachers are actually men of God ("in the faith"). We claim via the documentation of their anti-christ teaching (against the Word, John 1:1) on our website that they are men of Satan. We refuse to disregard the Word of God (Hebrews 4:12-13) in favor of these men.
If you have any love in you, you may attempt to show us via Scripture how we are wrong (either on these men, or regarding our doctrine). We will consider what you say. Telling us these men are in the faith, when we have documentation to the contrary (and you've given us no reason to believe otherwise), are idle words to us (Psalm 94:11). Just because you say so, that doesn't make it so (Proverbs 14:15).
In love, I warned you in my last email that you did not know God, hoping you would consider the state of your soul. Your response was to curse us. May God have mercy on you (Romans 12:14).